Ep. 47 - It's Our Anniversary! Let's Talk Back to the Future Part 2!

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[0:00] J.J.: Welcome back to the Movie Theater! Today is a special day because it’s our one-year anniversary!

[0:10] Olaf: That’s right! One year of talking about movies, and what better way to celebrate than to revisit our very first episode topic?

[0:20] J.J.: Exactly! Today, we’re diving into "Back to the Future Part 2." So slip into your auto-lace sneakers, grab your hoverboard, and climb into your flying car as we go back to the future!

[0:40] Olaf: I can’t believe it’s been a year already. It feels like just yesterday we were figuring out how to record our first episode.

[0:50] J.J.: Time flies when you’re having fun! And speaking of time, "Back to the Future Part 2" is all about that, isn’t it?

[1:00] Olaf: Absolutely! It’s fascinating how they tackled the concept of time travel and the consequences that come with it.

[1:10] J.J.: And let’s not forget the iconic scenes! The hoverboards, the flying cars, and of course, the future version of Hill Valley.

[1:20] Olaf: Right? I remember watching that as a kid and being blown away by the technology they imagined.

[1:30] J.J.: It’s interesting to see how some of those predictions have come true, while others… not so much.

[1:40] Olaf: Yeah, like the self-drying jacket! We’re still waiting on that one.

[1:50] J.J.: And the flying cars! Where are they? I want my flying car!

[2:00] Olaf: Same here! But let’s talk about the characters. Marty McFly and Doc Brown are such a dynamic duo.

[2:10] J.J.: They really are! Their chemistry is what makes the movie so enjoyable.

[2:20] Olaf: And let’s not forget about Biff Tannen. He’s such a memorable antagonist.

[2:30] J.J.: Definitely! His character adds a lot of humor and tension to the story.

[2:40] Olaf: Speaking of humor, there are some classic one-liners in this film.

[2:50] J.J.: For sure! I love how they balance the serious themes with comedic moments.

[3:00] Olaf: It’s a perfect blend that keeps the audience engaged.

[3:10] J.J.: So, what’s your favorite scene from "Back to the Future Part 2"?

[3:20] Olaf: I’d have to say the scene where Marty first arrives in the future. The visual effects and the futuristic setting are just amazing.

[3:30] J.J.: That’s a great choice! I love the scene where they use the hoverboards to escape Biff.

[3:40] Olaf: Classic action! It really showcases the creativity of the filmmakers.

[3:50] J.J.: And the soundtrack! It really enhances the experience.

[4:00] Olaf: Absolutely! The music is iconic and adds so much to the film’s atmosphere.

[4:10] J.J.: It’s hard to believe how much this movie has influenced pop culture over the years.

[4:20] Olaf: For sure! It’s a timeless classic that continues to resonate with audiences.

[4:30] J.J.: And it’s a perfect way to celebrate our anniversary by revisiting such a beloved film.

[4:40] Olaf: Here’s to many more years of movie discussions!

[4:50] J.J.: Cheers to that! Let’s dive deeper into the themes and messages of "Back to the Future Part 2" next.

[5:00] Olaf: Sounds like a plan!

[12:34] J.J.: Some good does come out of it because it does protect actors moving forward. It's just a shame that this little drama is wrapped up in this. It's one of those things where as a kid, I probably noticed that it wasn't Crispin Glover, but I was just so entertained and impressed with how the workaround, the technology, the cameras, the things that they had to build that were brand new specifically for this movie. One of them being the ortholev that was built specifically for George in the future scenes to be upside down. Because they were like, look, if Crispin does come back, then we got him upside down and it's no big deal. Now, can you imagine you're on set? There's a lot of waiting around on set.

They got to get all the lights and everything just right. And you are upside down for who knows how long. I would hope that he's not upside down until they actually need him to be upside down. Well, that's I'm sure that that's the intention. But then you always have these things. You got to get into position. Right. So you're ready to go. But then, oh, now we got to check this. We got to check this. So you're just hanging upside down waiting, waiting to go do your lines. So I imagine that probably wasn't a fun couple days.

[14:00] Olaf: No, I would imagine not. And again, he's also not only upside down, but he's in the prosthetic, the makeup to make him look like he's 80, 80 years old or 80, whatever old he's supposed to be. Yeah. So they shoot this movie in reverse, like they shot all the fifty five first, which makes sense, which totally makes sense. I love that. And while they're shooting the fifty five stuff, especially in Hill Valley, like on the streets, they're setting up eighty five alternate eighty five like the Biff, what they call Biff horrific timeline of the movie. So there's this scene where old Biff goes back and he runs into his younger version when Biff is talking about when he's getting his car fixed and he sees Lorraine on the street.

They only shoot that like the angle of the of the shot of the street. They shoot that way on purpose because if any everything to the right of that shot is all like being decked out for the eighty five alternate timeline. So they had to really like just stay in this sort of focus to get the fifty five scene in that in that sense.

[15:07] J.J.: This movie, they do a really good job of introducing a completely new character trait for Marty that wasn't in the first one. But you wouldn't notice it's so seamless. It feels like it was always there to begin with. But we give Marty this temper, self-control issue where if he's called chicken, he won't back down and ends up doing stupid stuff. Well, they did realize that in the first movie, the one the character who makes the biggest change in the first movie is George and not Marty. Marty really doesn't have any sort of character flaws in the first movie that they were aware of. Not really. I mean, he's he doesn't he he's clearly going to stick up for himself in the cafeteria with Biff in the first movie.

He's going to not back down. But the being antagonized, they're like, well, what if he just has this short fuse when somebody calls him a chicken that they really drive that home? Yeah. And I just I just love how well they implemented it, because you don't notice that it's not there from the beginning. You don't. It's not the only thing that maybe Bob Gale would say is forced is the first time it happens in the future in the cafe 80s. There's this like really strong piece of music that plays. And even he's like, well, there's here's the first time we mentioned that Marty's chicken because we really had to drive it home that this is a thing that is going to sort of affect him in that way. Other than that, it's a pretty seamless introduction to this ongoing flaw that's going to get him into these situations.

[16:45] Olaf: Yeah. Another thing I noticed about this movie, which I thought was super interesting, was unless you count any reused footage from the first movie, this is the only movie in the trilogy where Marty does not drive the DeLorean. Oh, yeah, you're right. Yeah. He's he's never driving. Yeah. In the current 80, that current Marty. You're right. Yeah. It's all doc and Biff.

[17:02] J.J.: Now I'm going to bring that up here in a sec. Now we're in the future and we have predictable weather. I love that. We have rejuvenation clinics where you can replace insides and who's to say that I haven't found that already. And then we have self-sizing clothes and auto shoes, powerless shoes. We have flying cars. We have hoverboards. So we still have fax machines. Hey, 50, 50 here. I mean, that just I just always laugh because there's so much cool stuff. And yet AT&T and fax machines.

[17:42] Olaf: Well, and they never here's the other thing is that cell phones did exist in the 80s, but they were the big clunky what we call Zach Morris phones. That even they were like, who would have thought that we would have had this like a computer phone size smartphone at this point, because that was really if they had nailed that. But even Zemeckis says, right, a lot of futurists, this dystopian sort of Blade Runner type thing, they're figured like, look, if we're going to do this, we're just going to send it up and we're going to make it. We're going to just make jokes about a lot of these things because we're probably going to be wrong anyway. I just it's just something that cracks me up.

[18:25] J.J.: I agree because they really drive the fax thing home later on at Marty's house. Now, here's something I wanted to ask throughout this whole movie, especially when they get to the future. Doc is on the tightest schedule. He is running frantic everywhere. You have a time machine. You shouldn't be this pressed for time anywhere you go.

[18:59] Olaf: Well, he's only pressed to knock Marty out. Right. The son, he's got to get Marty Junior and he's got to knock him out. But it's like we land is like, you're already late. Come on, let's go. I got to do this. I got to do that. It's like, well, here's the thing. And this is back up. Get back on the freeway in the sky. Do it. Do a lap. So so here's here's where we got more time. Here's where I'm going to give benefit of the doubt. And this is a writing thing. Apparently, they land and they fly into the future in the middle of a huge thunderstorm. Yeah. Which predictable weather is going to end at a specific time. Yeah. So they couldn't show up any earlier or they'd be like driving around, taking a lap in the rain and stuff dry and close. I understand. But what if they get hit? I mean, there's a lot of factors, safety factors. Let's land this thing in an alleyway.

[20:02] J.J.: I feel like you were about to say, what if they get hit by lightning? And they do later on. Spoiler alert. But at no point did that ever seem to be a concern for Doc. I'm just saying Marty's the one going, hey, you don't want to get struck by lightning. I know what I'm saying is, is Doc knew the rain is going to stop at four o'clock in the afternoon. And we need to knock him out at four or three and four or five. And now I got to explain to Marty, we got to get Jennifer over here next to like the old laser discs. Put these put these shirts and put the jacket and shoes on. I got to take off my. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're you're giving it such a benefit of the doubt. Look, I love this movie. It's just rewatching it for this episode. I'm like, well, yeah, why are you so frantic right now?

[21:47] Olaf: Well, and he didn't have enough to knock him out for the full hour, which he doesn't realize that that moment because he knew because he used it on Jennifer, because I know, hey, look, Doc's Doc's got a lot on his plate. He had to go pick up Einstein. Yeah, we get to tour the Hill Valley area. So here's my question. You mentioned you rattled off a lot of the cool things that they show in the future. And now we get this great shot, this establishing shot of the future Hill Valley. Is there something in particular that you were like that is really cool or this aside from the shoes, because the shoes clearly in the hoverboard, which we haven't even seen yet.

[23:27] J.J.: There's a shot in this establishing shot where you see the car fly in and land in the background, land on the ramp. And then, oh, yeah, that to me is one of the coolest shots for me in this in this scene. The Jaws bit is super funny. It's great. Directed by Max Spielberg. Yeah. Like Spielberg's son. Yeah. And then Marty's like still looks fake. And then you get a Goldie Wilson, the third. Yeah. And now he's a hover car. His burger. Yeah. For a lot of money. He rattles off the price. It's like so expensive.

[23:56] Olaf: Yeah, it's ridiculous. Cafe 80s for me. I want that now. I want there to be a cafe 80s. I don't need the the TV's yelling at me, though, you know, or that or the people on bicycles, stationary bikes. I still don't even know what they're doing. They're exercising. What do you mean when Griff tells them to keep pedaling? I'm like pedaling. Are you powering something like what does it matter? It's like I feel I love it. They like it was like a 1980s blender, like they just threw stuff in there. I mean, it's super fun in there, but it's hilarious if we're talking about like if we had that in real life, the the TV's yelling at me, Reagan and I think it's like Gaddafi or whoever. Yeah, like yelling at each other. I can't. I can't. Reagan is Max Headroom as a waiter. I would take.

[24:06] J.J.: Yeah, I don't need the yelling, of course. I mean, Reagan asking me for my order. I love that the idea of the future in 2015 is everybody is Max Headroom. Well, hey, I mean, this is this is why Zemeckis is like, you know, I don't like the future. I know. Yeah, but I do like that. They made Wild Gunman an arcade like it wasn't an arcade. They actually specifically made that game into an arcade for the movie. Yeah. And it's awesome. And we get to meet a young Elijah Wood.

[24:36] Olaf: Elijah Wood. I think that was his debut, wasn't it? It's his feature film debut. He'd done some commercials on like a Paul Abdul video or something before this. But you got to use your hands. It's like a baby's toy. We meet Griff, which Thomas Wilson is just killing it. The work that all of them are doing in this movie is overlooked because they're doing it so well and so effortless. And with the special effects and how they do it, you forget that you're watching Thomas Wilson in the diner playing two characters.

[24:07] J.J.: Biff and his grandson Griff and Michael J. Fox playing himself and his son in the diner. The stuff with like the twin dynamic and stuff is so flawless. It's so good and like you don't see anything really like that until Multiplicity with Michael Keaton. They had to build a Vista Glide camera just to do these shots. One of the coolest shots is in the diner when they throw Marty's son over the counter and Marty's like, just sit back and shut up, and he takes the hat off. I know that it's flawless. You would swear that it's two people interacting. It's amazing. We get to meet a young Jason Scott Lee as one of Griff's cronies. I mean, he played Bruce Lee in Dragon the Bruce Lee Story. He was in the Jungle Book.

He was in the Lilo and Stitch movies. He's done a lot. A stuntwoman was severely injured on set for this movie when they were filming the hoverboard chase going into the clock tower, the courthouse. Yeah. And you can actually see it. They use that take. You see her going off course and hitting the pillar and falling. Yeah. It's a real shame. And there's a lot of information you can look up about it. We don't want to dive into it. But yeah, I mean, I think at the end of the day, she was fine. She's fine now. Yeah, she was. She looks back on the whole experience as a great experience. But yeah, she suffered some serious stuff. It was a nasty accident. That hoverboard sequence. The Bobs have gone on record as saying they would shoot these hoverboard sequences in such a way where they were shooting.

They were doing it multiple techniques and they were doing so many different cuts. Oh, the audience wouldn't be able to figure out how they're doing it. Yeah. And it's so good. It's so seamless. It's so believable. And they would shoot like funny promo videos that they would put out there to where, you know, the marketing people are thinking these hoverboards are real. Mattel was so mad at production because Mattel is like labeled on the pink hoverboard that he's using. Mattel was like writing the studio letters like, thanks to you, kids are coming and wanting to know where they can get their hoverboard. These don't exist. They're so cool. And that whole sequence was great. Now, I want to bring something up.

So Marty is supposed to be 17 years old. I know. Now, in part one, I can buy it. Absolutely. He's only he's 24 in part one in real life. Yeah. And he's he's like you where you just look forever young. But in the sequels, not buying it. I can't. Like, oh, man, is he is he still young and whatnot? Sure, I can. Absolutely. I can go with it. But he is not a teenager. He's not 17. Yeah, no way. He has aged. And even though he looks great, like he is emoting in a way where I'm like, no, not 17. A lot of it is visual, like his hair is significantly longer and he'd put on a little bit of weight. But then as you get older and you start watching it with older eyes. Yeah, I was. It happened to me today.

I was watching. I was like when he's talking to Doc about the almanac, he's like, come on, how about we make a couple bets? Yeah. And I'm like, you are 17 years old. You're 30. Oh, yeah. We get to his house and, you know, we get to see more of the future tech with the projection shades. Which and this and this multiple picked screens. I mean, that happened. Yeah. I want the fruit thing that comes down from the. Yeah, that's what I want. That's cool. I don't even mind the rehydrated food. I don't either. Hydrate level four, please. Oh, mom, you sure know how to hydrate a pizza. Michael J. Fox does such a great job of playing his older self, his son and his daughter. I just want to talk about him as his daughter for a second.

I want to talk about this whole scene because this whole scene is brilliant. Well, before we get to them in the kitchen, we meet him as his daughter early on in the house and he looks great. It really looks like, yeah, that could be his daughter. Yeah. There's two things, though, that stick out to me. One is the outfit when he answers the door and his her grandparents are there. The mom walks through, the grandmother walks through. Yeah, Lorraine. And then for whatever reason, I don't know why Michael J. Fox as his daughter just looks back at us and looks dead down the barrel of the camera and almost kind of gives like this wide eyed kind of like bug eye look before then saying hello to her grandfather.

And I don't get that. And I never really stuck out to me until rewatching it. I like sat back from the television first. I was like, whoa, I don't know if I caught that. Yeah, I just always it always feels like his voice drops a little bit. Mom, mom, is that you? Like, it almost feels like his voice drops like active. Yeah. Yeah. But before he answers the door, he looks right down. That's funny. It looks right. I noticed that. Yeah. I love Lorraine in this scene because she played this character, like the older grandma version of Lorraine, like just super spry, like she was like, oh, yeah, it's like like almost like drugged out. Well, they were still playing tennis and stuff. Yeah, I know. Not on the golf course.

When he throws his back out, which that tech is cool, like we talked a little bit about earlier, but like, I want I want one of those get a little backstretch in. Yeah, for real, please. And then as they're leaving the front door, as the grandparents come in, we get a full body shot of Michael J. Fox as his daughter. And yes, the outfit is something else. But I think he's wearing like these hot pants, shorts that are kind of poofy and then he's wearing stockings. But you can clearly see that those are men's legs. Oh, well, sure. I mean, but it's just anybody. It's just something I'd never noticed before. And I was just like, good gracious. I will say this. He changes his walk like she has this totally different way of walking as Marlene as the daughter and then as Marty or even now granted, part of it looks like it's because he's not accustomed to walking in heels.

Probably not. And he was super embarrassed, like initially to be in front of like this crew that he's worked with forever. But the kitchen scene, it was just this never done before way of doing it because they of this camera that they had built. Yeah, where they were able to shoot older Marty regular, like he got to do be free as older Marty and shoot everything normal. And then they shot the Marlene and Lorraine third of it. And Michael J. Fox has an inner ear piece so he can hear all the cues. And then he goes back and he does the Marty son with the fruit retract. I love that with the fruit scene. And they had to like glue pieces of the set down because and like they would put police tape around the camera because they couldn't have anything move or it would mess up the whole shot.

Yeah. And they were actually worried that the shot had gotten messed up because during shooting there was an earthquake. There was an earthquake. They ran back into the set and they're like, oh, everything's good. Yeah. It still looks better than a lot of stuff that's coming out now. Yeah, absolutely. We're outside the house. Marty and Doc are there and Marty's changing his shoes. I'm not sure why. Why wouldn't you just stay in the the cool power lace sneakers? They look comfy. I think the idea is that they're going to get Jennifer and they're going to go back to eighty five. I guess I guess. But, you know, bring them with you. But we're talking, I don't know, 30 feet down the road as you're sitting out.

You're you're you're sitting outside of your car, changing your shoes in the middle of the night. There's not a lot going on. And a cab lands and Biff, who you met earlier, so you know what he looks like, gets out of the cab. If you just look to your left, you see Biff. Yes. Yes. The whole you because Marty's in the shot the whole time that Biff lands and they're not being quiet about it. It's not like he was like, I want you to ease in there. No, no. And then he flies up and then Marty kind of wanders. He wanders into the neighborhood, but not far. This is the whole thing with like Ferris Bueller when they park the car and then they walk out and then that thing comes roaring out of the garage like 10 feet behind them and they don't notice.

They can't hear the noise because of the city. Yeah, well, this is a quiet, quiet neighbor in the middle of the night. OK, so here's the thing gets into the DeLorean, takes off. And that's the other thing. Biff knows how to fly the DeLorean. He knows how to use it to go back in time. I will walk down that path with you of what are you doing there? There was just so much that happened right there. And the cab, look, it's dark now. They've lit that scene for us so we can see Biff in the cab driver. I don't know if Marty can see who's getting out of the cab, nor does he even care. He's not he doesn't know. But Biff gets out of the taxi cab and he's not like ducking kind of behind. He he's just old.

So he's hunched over. But there you go. He's still yelling at the cab driver yelling. So I will say this Biff gets in the car and you're right. He automatically not only knows how to drive it and fly it, but apparently he puts in time circuits to nineteen fifty five. Yeah. And he knows and knows how fast he needs to go. He knows how fast he needs to go. He knows how everything functions. And then I need to get back at this. So I will agree. Major, major plot hole there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then here's the other thing. Sorry. He gets out of the cab. He gets out of the DeLorean and then he's sort of like injured and whatever. He dies. So when you're watching this movie without any sort of knowledge, you're going, well, what happened to Biff initially?

Well, yeah, I wanted to bring that up, too, because he gets out of the DeLorean and you see him physically and hit himself with his cane. Right. So you're like, did he just accidentally kill himself? Yeah. But if you look closely as he opens the door before he gets out, he's already like sweating. Oh, yeah. My guess is he's having a heart attack. So that's one explanation is that the time travel of it all was not bad, was bad for him, and he couldn't take the stress of it and yada yada X, Y, Z dies. But because the way it's shot, it just looks like he impales himself with his cane. Well, the extended scene is that he actually disappears. Yeah. And they showed that to the audience and they lost the audience.

They're like, what just happened? The other explanation is the Bobs were saying, well, maybe somewhere down in the alternate timeline, Lorraine shoots him. And if he in the 90s or something like they've gone on record and say sometime in the 90s, maybe Lorraine shoots him. And so when Biff comes back, he no longer exists. And so he ends up disappearing like they went into that. Yeah. But I'm glad they didn't keep that part. But yeah, that whole chain of events is like, well, yeah, fruit. So then they get they get back to what they think is their timeline and they pull up to Jennifer's house. And I need to mention a really cool shot right there. Okay. They're flying into Jennifer's house. Yes. And it's a miniature of the DeLorean and they use the lamp post, the lamppost. Oh, and then it's it's flawless. Oh, it's it's yeah, it's no, it's great. It's so cool.

[36:12] J.J.: They pull up to drop her off on her front porch because, apparently, she'll wake up and be fine and, you know, whatever. But as they're leaving, Marty suddenly is like, I don't remember there being bars on the window? And okay, fine, whatever. There's a giant wrecked car in the driveway that you can't miss as you're carrying Jennifer to the porch.

[36:29] Olaf: What you're trying to tell me is you do not like this movie.

[36:31] J.J.: No, no, no. I love this movie. I'm just sitting here watching it with a critical eye this time so we can talk about it. But I'm like, how do you not notice that?

[36:39] Olaf: I know. He's 17? His lack of awareness? Maybe that's what it is. This is where he turns 17 and he's completely unaware of these things. Speaking of awareness, now I wrote this down much farther down in my notes because this happens throughout the movie. The entire plot of this movie hinges solely on environmental unawareness. The entire plot of this movie falls apart if one person is aware of their surroundings.

[37:04] J.J.: Okay.

[37:05] Olaf: Marty is not aware of Biff landing in the cab. Marty is not aware of Biff taking the DeLorean and flying away and coming back. Strickland is not aware of Marty in his office. Biff is not aware of Marty sneaking around on him. You could go in the car. Biff is hiding out in the future and he manages to open up the right where Doc throws the almanac into the trash bin.

[37:29] J.J.: Yeah, but at least he doesn't reveal himself and we don't see him until they walk away.

[37:34] Olaf: All the other stuff that I'm talking about, they're all in the same shot. It's not like we don't know that he's there. Everyone is there and everything hinges on just people not being aware or just looking to the right. One of my pet peeves is lack of awareness in life. That is this movie.

[37:49] J.J.: I can understand that. However, I love this movie. Back to the Future, part two, lack of awareness. I love this movie, so I'm willing to be okay. I will go back after we've done this episode and rewatch it and not have that kind of critical eye. I'm only doing this for the episode.

[38:07] Olaf: I appreciate it. Holy crap. Everyone is not paying attention and that's how this plot works.

[38:12] J.J.: I can appreciate the critical eye for sure because it happens again when he goes home and he's the locks on the fence or the gate.

[38:19] Olaf: Yeah, not a red flag.

[38:21] J.J.: Yeah, then he gets chased out because other people live there. I'll even go as far as this because I noticed this today when I watched it. They're driving into Marty's neighborhood and the lioness signs are graffiti-laced. My guess is Doc has bad eyesight driving at night and Marty's just talking to him.

[38:39] Olaf: They're just wanting to get home. They just assume that they did what they needed to do. He's got Einstein in his lap, so he can't really see.

[38:44] J.J.: They needed it. They got what they needed to do and they're just wanting to get home. Strickland in this movie is so great. Flak jacket, shotgun.

[38:50] Olaf: I love this scene. I'm glad he's in it later as well as when they go back to '55, but this scene when he's like slackers and he's just like he's running down the street ready to die like he is going to chase these dudes with his shotgun.

[39:05] J.J.: Yeah, it was weird because I did not like him in the first movie because you're not supposed to, but then you watch him in this and you're like he's the best. He's awesome. I wanted like more of that. He apparently was shooting this at night and Dick Tracy in the day. He was pulling a Michael J. Fox.

[39:20] Olaf: I wonder if he was complaining to Michael J. Fox about how tired he was. Can you believe I'm so exhausted? Mike's just being polite. He's like, yeah, you're doing great, by the way.

[39:30] J.J.: Oh man. And then we get to see Biff land. Biff horrific is what they were calling it.

[39:34] Olaf: Yeah, Biff land. The makeup in this movie is different on Biff than it was in the first movie. I used to not like the makeup in the second movie on Biff because for whatever reason in the first movie, I just liked whatever they were doing with his makeup to make him look older.

[39:49] J.J.: It's vastly different, but I've never really felt like any of the old age makeup that they use on the characters is really good. It seems a little exaggerated and almost like-

[39:56] Olaf: In this movie, it's very exaggerated. In the first movie, I think Lorraine's makeup when she's a mom is super subtle. They do a really good job of making her look older. Same with Biff. However-

[40:06] J.J.: It doesn't bother me either.

[40:08] Olaf: It doesn't bother me as much anymore. And I think it's because they're doing such great work underneath the makeup and the makeup is giving them permission to do this great work. We've talked about Thomas Wilson being the nicest guy in the world when we talked about the first movie.

[40:24] J.J.: Yeah, but oh man, he's so good as Biff. He does such a... This iteration of Biff, the '85 alternate version, he just is scary. He leans into it and you believe that he is the worst person on the planet.

[40:39] Olaf: Yeah. It does crack me up when he does the classic villain trope of willingly giving up all the information about the Almanac when Marty asks about it.

[40:47] J.J.: Well, but there's a payoff to that later as to why.

[40:50] Olaf: Sure. It just makes me laugh because in real life-

[40:53] J.J.: No, but I think where most movies the villain just falls into that trope, there's a reason why.

[40:58] Olaf: Well, because he thinks, I'm just going to shoot this guy, so why not monologue? But he was also told by his older self that, hey, someday this is going to happen, and so he's going, oh, this is the moment. Okay, well, I'm going to take this kid out anyway, so-

[41:13] J.J.: Or I could just take them out. Done and dusted.

[41:16] Olaf: Boom. Okay.

[41:17] J.J.: True. Here's something I want to ask. Because of how Biff uses the Almanac, would the Almanac still be useful in 1985? Because at this point, Biff has corrupted so many things. Wouldn't that affect how sports is played?

[41:31] Olaf: Possibly.

[41:32] J.J.: At that point, it's like, well, maybe this Almanac doesn't work anymore.

[41:36] Olaf: I mean, it doesn't stop him from making the millions and millions that he-

[41:39] J.J.: I mean, that's a great question because I think for him, he's going to use it to his advantage, like from a gambling standpoint, from a casino standpoint-

[41:46] Olaf: Yeah, which he clearly did.

[41:47] J.J.: Which he clearly does. But he's corrupted the police, and he runs the towns-

[41:51] Olaf: But then he could still navigate that in a way to make the result of the game the way it needs to be.

[41:56] J.J.: He makes such a huge impact on that alternate timeline that you're going to have these ripple flakes that go out that can affect other things like sports, which is why I was like, I wonder if the Almanac is even relevant at this point.

[42:08] Olaf: What I don't understand is 50 years of sports statistics, that's a really small Almanac. That thing should be like 10 times bigger.

[42:15] J.J.: Well, yeah, it looks like a comic book.

[42:18] Olaf: That needs to be 10 times bigger if it's carrying 50 years of every sporting event.

[42:23] J.J.: It's small print. Now, at one point, Marty and Doc are flying in the DeLorean, and the time circuits are malfunctioning, and Doc smacks it, and he's like, Oh, I gotta fix this.

[42:33] Olaf: I gotta fix this. It's so nonchalant, like this has been going on for a while, but it seems like it's such a serious problem, but he hasn't addressed it yet.

[42:40] J.J.: Well, and who knows? We don't know how long it's been acting up, and clearly-

[42:44] Olaf: Long enough for him to be like, Oh, I still gotta get that thing fixed.

[42:47] J.J.: Yeah, but clearly it's just a device to set things up.

[42:50] Olaf: That could be a problem. That's new.

[42:52] J.J.: Yeah, but again, they don't belabor it. They show it to us twice, and-

[42:56] Olaf: I know, I know. It's just something I noticed, and the way he delivered his line of needing to get it fixed, I was just like, So this is an ongoing problem. You are just in the future, where-

[43:06] J.J.: They do a really good job of planting seeds for the third one without telling us, We're gonna go to the Wild West, everybody.

[43:12] Olaf: I know. I understand. It's all foreshadowing. It's all-

[43:15] J.J.: Of course.

[43:16] Olaf: I'm talking about this-

[43:17] J.J.: But I mean, I guess my point is, were you wanting Doc to have this long conversation about the circuits?

[43:22] Olaf: No, I'm just saying it would be a little more believable if that was the first time that it happened.

[43:27] J.J.: Or if he didn't say anything at all.

[43:29] Olaf: Yeah, like they don't notice-

[43:31] J.J.: If he just banged it, and that was it.

[43:33] Olaf: Yeah, or yeah, or they don't notice it. We just get a shot of that happening. That was what I noticed about it.

[43:40] J.J.: Now, when we get to 1955, everything about this part of the movie is so fun. The way we get to see so many great things from different angles is just so fun.

[43:48] Olaf: It's satisfying.

[43:49] J.J.: It's very satisfying. And we also get to see some new stuff, but it just feels completely part of everything. Nothing feels out of place.

[43:56] Olaf: Well, when they first get into '55, and it's at night, or it's in the dusk, and they park behind the Lion Estates billboard, that's an indoor stage.

[44:06] J.J.: They're inside a sound stage for that scene.

[44:09] Olaf: I wouldn't have known that without listening to the conversation.

[44:12] J.J.: It looks amazing.

[44:13] Olaf: It looks like they're outside. Now, later, when Doc is out there, and it's broad daylight, they actually had to go out to wherever it was and shoot that, but-

[44:20] J.J.: It looks so good.

[44:21] Olaf: I love that the Radio Shack walkie-talkies are going to have an amazing frequency.

[44:26] J.J.: The best.

[44:27] Olaf: I mean, those walkie-talkies are covering the whole town. I think I had those walkie-talkies as a kid, and they did that work.

[44:33] J.J.: I mean, he's in Biff's garage. He's in the town. If you notice, at one point, while Doc's talking on his, the antenna is clearly bent.

[44:41] Olaf: I mean, that was like, these walkie-talkies are legit.

[44:44] J.J.: Yeah, they're fantastic.

[44:46] Olaf: I want those walkie-talkies.

[44:48] J.J.: Yeah, for real. Biff has an amazing throwing arm.

[44:51] Olaf: That ball goes-

[44:52] J.J.: He gets that ball from those kids.

[44:54] Olaf: He's like, oh, this ball? Go and get it! And he throws a perfect shot that lands perfectly on that balcony.

[45:02] J.J.: I wonder how many times he had to throw that, but I'm telling you, beautiful.

[45:06] Olaf: And apparently, that shot is like the Leave It to Beaver house when he walks out of or whatever.

[45:11] J.J.: They shot Leave It to Beaver there.

[45:12] Olaf: The way they redid the Under the Sea dance and everything was just great, and hearing the music again was so good.

[45:20] J.J.: Well, even they were saying it was like going back in time because of how meticulous they were with recreating everything.

[45:27] Olaf: The whole band is back, like Marvin Barry.

[45:30] J.J.: Those guys all came back.

[45:32] Olaf: It's fantastic. That third act of the movie was a huge payoff as a fan, as a kid, as a fan.

[45:39] J.J.: Even though it's such a small thing, the fact that they got the original gang, Biff's gang, to come back.

[45:45] Olaf: Billy Zane, he's already now got a booming career going, but he's coming back for a part that is so small and barely in it.

[45:52] J.J.: It makes such a huge difference to see them running around.

[45:55] Olaf: To see those three guys, especially in Alternate '85 when they're older and they're...

[48:15] J.J.: Welcome back to the movie theater! It's our one-year anniversary, and we are so excited to celebrate with you all today!

[48:45] Olaf: That's right! One whole year of talking about movies, and what better way to celebrate than by revisiting our very first episode topic, Back to the Future Part 2!

[49:00] J.J.: Absolutely! I can't believe it's been a year already. Time flies when you're having fun, right?

[49:12] Olaf: It really does! And Back to the Future Part 2 is such a great film to dive into. There's so much to discuss, from the time travel elements to the futuristic predictions.

[49:32] J.J.: For sure! I mean, who doesn't love the idea of flying cars and hoverboards? It's fascinating to see how the film envisioned the future.

[49:59] Olaf: And let's not forget about the characters! Marty McFly and Doc Brown are iconic. Their dynamic is one of the highlights of the series.

[50:24] J.J.: Definitely! And the way they interact with the different timelines is just brilliant. It keeps the story engaging and fun.

[50:46] Olaf: Speaking of fun, do you remember the first time you watched Back to the Future Part 2?

[50:56] J.J.: Oh, absolutely! I was blown away by the special effects and the storyline. It was such a unique take on time travel.

[51:16] Olaf: Same here! And I love how it connects to the first film while also setting up the third one. It's like a perfect trilogy setup.

[51:44] J.J.: Exactly! And the way they play with the concept of time is so clever. It really makes you think about the consequences of your actions.

[52:04] Olaf: Right? And the future they depicted is both exciting and a little scary. Some of those predictions were spot on!

[52:24] J.J.: For sure! I mean, we still don't have flying cars, but we do have some pretty amazing technology that they hinted at.

[52:44] Olaf: And the fashion! Those auto-lacing sneakers are still a dream for many of us.

[53:04] J.J.: Haha, yes! I would love a pair of those. It's fun to see how the film influenced pop culture.

[53:24] Olaf: Absolutely! It's a classic that continues to resonate with audiences today.

[53:44] J.J.: So, what do you say we dive into some of our favorite moments from the film?

[54:04] Olaf: Sounds great! One of my favorite scenes has to be when Marty first arrives in the future and sees all the futuristic gadgets.

[54:24] J.J.: That's a classic moment! The reactions of the characters are priceless, especially when they see the changes in Hill Valley.

[54:44] Olaf: And the hoverboard chase scene is just epic! It's such a thrilling sequence.

[54:54] J.J.: Totally! The action in that scene is top-notch. It really captures the excitement of the film.

[55:19] Olaf: Plus, the music adds so much to the atmosphere. Alan Silvestri did an amazing job with the score.

[55:39] J.J.: Agreed! The music really enhances the emotional moments and the action sequences.

[55:59] Olaf: So, what do you think makes Back to the Future Part 2 stand out compared to other sequels?

[56:19] J.J.: I think it's the creativity in the storytelling. They took risks and expanded the universe in a way that felt fresh.

[56:39] Olaf: Definitely! It doesn't just rely on the success of the first film; it builds on it and takes it to new heights.

[56:59] J.J.: And the humor! The comedic elements are perfectly timed and add to the overall enjoyment of the film.

[57:19] Olaf: Yes! The humor balances out the more serious themes, making it accessible for all ages.

[57:39] J.J.: So, as we celebrate our anniversary, what do you hope for the future of the podcast?

[57:59] Olaf: I hope we can continue to explore more films and share our love for cinema with our listeners!

[58:19] J.J.: Me too! It's been an incredible journey, and I can't wait to see where it takes us next.

[58:39] Olaf: Here's to another year of movie discussions and fun!

[58:59] J.J.: Cheers to that! Thanks for joining us, everyone. We appreciate your support!

[59:19] Olaf: Don't forget to subscribe and follow us on social media for more movie magic!

[59:39] J.J.: Until next time, keep watching those films!

[59:59] Olaf: See you at the movies!